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Re: The Cricket discussion thread

Post by Legend_Killer » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:55 am

Yeah that last hour had our country at a standstill. 20/20 and one dayers have their place but nothing matches the drama of a Test like that. It was fantastic and gutting at the same time that we didn't win but considering where we were in December after South Africa spanked us in that test series I think people are quietly content at how we played this test series.

Although McCallum and Hesson the coach were public enemy number one a couple of months ago even I (as a McCallum doubter) have come around and I am glad he is our captain instead of Taylor. He has a winners attitude and has stepped up with the bat now he has finally settled in his rightful position down the order.

In saying all of that there was obviously an instruction to make extrememly batsmen friendly pitches for this test series in anticipation of limiting the hiding we were supposed to get which came back to bite us on that final day when the pitch hadn't worn out at all. I also think not enforcing the follow on might have been the incorrect decision in hindsight.

I am under no illusions what awaits us in England. I will be very surprised if we can even draw that series, the pitches will be doing a lot more which will help both attacks but England will want to put us away and have the team to do it. I am excited for our future though, our pace attack are all in their early twenties and will only get better and we have found some batsmen that can actually bat time instead of trying to score quickly and getting out.

A shout out to Peter Fulton, the 34 year old domestic player who had been discarded a couple of times in the past but scored a century in both innings and showed everyone how to bat in tests. It is a pity he is now so old and probably won't be around too much longer but hopefully some of our batsmen will take his lead and learn how to bat for long periods of time.

It is just great to see the Black Caps being the talk of the country for good reasons as opposed to all the shit that has gone on recently. I hope we earn respect in England.
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Post by TheLyontamer » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:40 pm

I’m totally with you in the praise of McCullum’s captaincy. He’s a really aggressive leader who’s always looking to change things up so as not to let the opposing batsmen settle, and his bowling decisions have been excellent. Bringing Williamson on to have a go at the end of day four was a masterstroke, as he nabbed Cook and Finn. Doing the exact same thing on the fifth evening almost won them the game. And his batting has been outstanding too. He hasn’t had a bad innings all series. That's as much a testament to the other batsmen as it is to him. He must be so accustomed to either opening the batting or playing down the order and regularly coming in at 100/5 after a top order collapse, and always having to bat defensively. In this series the consistency of the likes of Fulton and Rutherford meant that he often found himself entering with 300 runs on the board. This allowed him to play his natural game and go after the England bowlers without fear. Poor Monty took an awful hiding from him and Fulton on the second last morning. It was great to see two-metre Peter – who had batted very defensively during the first two games – just throw caution to the wind in his second century knock.

I think that not enforcing the follow-on was very much the right decision. New Zealand’s bowlers would have been quite tired after working so hard to bowl England out the first time. They needed a break. Even with the break, Southee and Boult were visibly knackered in their last spell at the very end of the game. Had England followed on, I have a feeling that they’d have put 500+ on the board and set NZ a target of 200-250 to win. And it wouldn’t be out of character for the Kiwis to collapse to defeat during the chase. Batting again gave the pace men some time to relax and also put the game beyond England’s reach. As much as NZ were going for the win, they were right to at least secure a draw before the victory push. They’re not in a position to throw away games against a team as good as England.

Of course the one big criticism that can be levelled at McCullum was his decision not to declare earlier. I completely understand that he wanted to take England’s victory target into oblivion, but was a lead of 480 really necessary? Wouldn’t 420 have been sufficient? What’s worrying is that it appeared that he didn’t even want to declare when Watling got out at the end, but was forced to after Southee had taken his pads off due to a miscommunication or something. How long more was he planning on batting for? Keeping the lead to just above 400 also may have given England hope of winning early in their innings. The aggressive batting to keep the run rate good may have given the Kiwis some extra early wickets.

It should also be kept in mind that the third new ball was due not too many overs after the game ended. Had McCullum given England 165 overs to bat out instead of 150, Boult and Southee could have had three overs each at Panesar with the new cherry. That could well have one the trick.

One really disappointing thing was the lack of locals at the games. Where was everyone? I know that the Black Caps are hugely less popular than the All Blacks in New Zealand, but there were probably more people who had made the trip from England than New Zealanders at each match. For as thrilling as the final session of play was, the ground appeared to be 80% empty. That’s disappointing, as a packed stadium would have created a great buzz, and a few thousand passionate Kiwi supporters might have given the home side the bit of inspiration that they needed to take that tenth wicket.

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Post by Legend_Killer » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:41 pm

Yeah the attandence at the grounds was disappointing, but I think this is the case around the world at the moment. Even on some of the days in the India-Australia Test series I could see a lot of empty seats in their stadiums which is a worry.

But in our case I think since before the series started the anticiapation was that we were going to get soundly beaten so not many people would've of planned ahead and got days off work etc for the fifth day of a test match, also before this series NZ cricket was at a very low ebb and a lot of the fans were disillusioned with the game and the team. Still though, there should've been more since it was obvious the night before that it had the potential to be a great day of cricket no matter what happened. Hopefully if NZ can keep being this competitive in Test match cricket the people will return.

On a side note it was really sad to hear about Jesse Ryder getting put into a coma after a late night attack in my hometown. He has had extensive issues with alcohol and the fact he got beaten up outside a bar doesn't help him, but from all accounts the attack was unprovoked and brutal and at the moment he is still in intensive care. It can be a bit of a dangerous place here at night these days with the massive influx of (mostly male) workers rebuilding the city after the earthquake which has made alcohol related crimes pretty common. It also sheds light on the binge drinking culture that our country has which seems to be getting worse. I hope Jesse gets well soon because he is a magnificent natural player.
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Post by TheLyontamer » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:32 pm

Absolutely sickening. I was really knocked for six when I read about it yesterday. I actually spent a fair bit of time researching Ryder on Cricinfo a few weeks ago, as I was very surprised not to see him playing the limited-overs games against England. I didn’t realise how all-encompassing his self-imposed international exile was. It really is a shame to see something so vile happen to one of the world’s leading players. We can only hope that he pulls through. Even if he does, I wouldn’t be surprised if this marks the end of his cricketing career. It’s sad because he can probably be put in the same category as Taylor, McCullum, and Vettori (who I haven’t seen in ages so may be crap now), as a New Zealander who can play on the world stage and is every bit as good as the best that all the other countries have to offer. Such a pity that his career will never end up as decorated as it could have due to his incident-laden past and now this.

I understand the problems associated with binge drinking, LK. My country is rotten to the core with it, and has been for many years. It can’t be nice for you to see Christchurch begin to deteriorate in that regard.

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Post by Slayer23 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:22 pm

What New Zealand really need is Chris Martin back. Great bowler and makes a really handy number 11 :D
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Post by Legend_Killer » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:08 am

Slayer23 wrote:What New Zealand really need is Chris Martin back. Great bowler and makes a really handy number 11 :D
Haha, I don't think you will be seeing Chris Martin again unless there are a few injuries to our bowlers. I would like to see him have a last hurrah though, maybe even get a half century :)
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Post by TheLyontamer » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:39 pm

Poor Chris never did quite work out how to play the ball that was aimed anywhere near the stumps.

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In fairness, a highest score of 12* in 104 innings isn't a bad effort. His second highest score is 7. Had he gotten a bit more support at the other end in the one where he did reach double figures, there's every chance he would have posted a quickfire half century. :)

Didn't he play the Tests against SA? One of the New Zealand commentators mentioned that the only reason he didn't get a game against England was because he was injured. Though with the success of Boult, Southee, and Wagner, it'll be hard for him to get back in the team. He is 38 after all, so time is not on his side.

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Post by Slayer23 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:06 pm

DO either of you guys care about the IPL? I can honestly say i couldn't give 2 fucks about it.
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Post by Legend_Killer » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:38 pm

Slayer23 wrote:DO either of you guys care about the IPL? I can honestly say i couldn't give 2 fucks about it.
Nope I really don't. I don't know who plays for what team and if I have no team to cheer for I am not interested.
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Post by TheLyontamer » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:35 am

Yeah, I’m not an IPL guy either. Most of my cricket news and analysis comes from the English media, who really look own at the tournament as being some kind of insult to cricket and refuse to give it any attention. That makes it hard to keep up with. Just last week, Eoin Morgan received a load of heavy criticism for heading off to play T20 in India instead of returning to the English first class County Championship (which starts back next week) in a bid to win back his Ashes place. It’s ridiculous how anyone can blame him for choosing to make tens of thousands of dollars for six weeks of relatively non-taxing work in packed, crazily loud Indian stadiums, rather than spend four full days a week throughout April and May shivering at small grounds in the English countryside in front of ten people, when at least three or four others have already gone ahead of him in the Test match pecking order.

And I’ve found that T20 and one-day cricket as a whole interest me less and less as time goes by. There are just so many games that it feels that with each one, the result carries less consequence. I’m mainly a Test match watcher these days. The only times I really watch T20s anymore are during the World Cups and English domestic competition.

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Post by BioticZombie » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:47 am

Oh god guys. Seriously, this sport is just amazing. Did you see last night's game where that guy hit the ball to the stump?

It was so cool. Seriously, you guys, this sport, just top-notch.
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Post by Slayer23 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:27 pm

BioticZombie wrote:Oh god guys. Seriously, this sport is just amazing. Did you see last night's game where that guy hit the ball to the stump?

It was so cool. Seriously, you guys, this sport, just top-notch.
You can mock it all you want but lets face it. Cricket >Any and every American sport.
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Post by Legend_Killer » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:22 am

189 not out
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Post by TheLyontamer » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:32 pm

138 all out
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NZ vs SL was the first game of cricket I've been able to watch in (most of) its entirety in almost three months. What a thriller that Sri Lanka should have won. Malinga's bowling performance was on another planet. This Champions Trophy really has the potential to be an excellent tournament.

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Post by Slayer23 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:12 pm

With only 1 day to go of the Ashes, i can honestly say i'm optimistic about England Coming over. We're starting to show we can go with the bat again and our bowling was never a problem.

Also, i don't really think the series was as much of a flogging as the 3-0 scoreline would suggest. In the first test, although outplayed, if Broad is given we win. Second test we did get flogged. 3rd test we really would have won if we had even 1 extra day. The Fourth test we dominated until our batting collapse in the Fourth where we were in a commanding position. And This last Test which looks like being a draw we actually did really well aswell, only thing was the rain and Englands scummy defensive Tactics.

P.S. So proud of my boy Steve Smith!
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Post by Legend_Killer » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:59 pm

I know no one reads this topic but our little tiny country of 4 million people is destroying a country of a billion people in a sport which is their religion. Lets hear it for the little guy.
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Post by TheLyontamer » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:13 pm

Au contraire, LK. If there’s Test cricket taking place anywhere in the world, and I’ve got some free time, I’m watching it, or reading every report on Cricinfo the next day to find out what I’ve missed. I’ve been glued to the NZ-India game for the last two hours, and caught the whole morning session yesterday and the day before. It’s fantastic to see such a hammering taking place to follow what happened in the ODIs. India are now nine wickets down, and still trail Brendon McCullum by 30. What a knock he played. As big a win as it would be for NZ, though, this India side is well-known for being unbeatable at home and a pushover away. How they have not managed to find better pace bowlers than the extremely mediocre Ishant Sharma and the aging Zaheer Khan in a nation of 1.2 billion people is beyond me.

I’m becoming a bigger fan of Trent Boult every time I see him bowl. He was a joy to watch in the Tests against England this time last year and appears to be getting better with every game.

And I still check regularly for new posts in this topic. I really wanted to get some chat going during the Ashes and how it all went wrong for England, but Slayer hasn't been around in ages and I wasn't sure whether you came here often anymore. I'm all for getting this thing going again if there's interest.

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Post by Legend_Killer » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:51 pm

I am just shocked at how bad India are to be honest. I was really looking forward to seeing some of their highly rated young batting line-up but apart fom Kohli in the one dayers they have been extremely average. They can't handle anything short and just can't seem to play in our conditions. They should be very concerned about their ability to retain the World Cup here next year.

Watching their innings today I am flabbergated at how their lower order players were batting. Experienced guys like Sharma and Khan were trying to smash it around a park instead of doing what any smart player should do and trying to hang around to support Jadeja who could've stayed in and got some runs. India also have a real wekaness in their bowling. Their pace bowlers just don't seem to have the ability to tear through teams and their spinners just seem very average compared to their spinners of the past like Kumble and Harbajan.

I was under the impression that this Indian side had adjusted well to the loss of so many experienced players in the past couple of years but they seriously miss guys like Dravid, Tendulker, Laxman and Harbajan. I also think 20/20 cricket has damaged their ability to knuckle down and bat in the test matches.

As for our team I was really happy for McCallum yesterday. He is very much a polarising figure here in NZ and rightfully so at times. I have thought he was a bit overrated at times and a lot of his good innings have come at times when the game wasn't in the balance but his innings here was top notch and came when we were really in trouble. Now that he is a batsmen only there is more pressure on him to perform with the bat and I am hoping yesterdays innings represents a bit of a turnaround for him.

You are right about Trent Boult Tamer, he really is an exciting talent for us. I heard he wants to play one dayers and 20/20 which I really hope does NOT happen. He is better served being a test specialist and it seems to work for him. Another really exciting talent for us is Kane Williamson. Sunil Gavasker said last week he thinks he will become NZ best ever batsman and at 23 he looks the goods. He got four consecutive 50's in the one dayers (and seemed to selflessly chuck his wicket away at times to get the quicker scoring players out there for the final 15 overs) and got a great century yesterday. He is going to be very good.

As I say this we are 9/2 at the moment, I hope we are not going to get a typical Black Cap batting collapse :(

Really looking forward to the South African/Australia series. I am very interested to see how good Australia actually are and whether it was Australia being good or England being woeful that decided that Ashes series. I thought the Ashes was a real shame as a neutral observer. I was really looking forward to watching that series but by the third test I really wasn't that interested since it wasn't really a contest.
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KIWI POWER~!
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Post by TheLyontamer » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:14 pm

Actually, the Kiwis have gone from dominating to completely imploding in the space of about half an hour.

I totally agree about Williamson. Not to mention that he’s one of the finest part-time spinners in the Test game at the moment.

This match is getting interesting now. The game is showing some real parallels with the third Test against England last year, when McCullum decided against following on and NZ found themselves 8/3 in the second innings. Of course that game ended as a draw with England nine down at the end. If there’s one thing that NZ have been known to lack, it’s a killer instinct. They’re not good at delivering the final big blow when they find themselves in a match-winning position. I really hope they manage to rebound here. There are a lot of benefits to not enforcing the follow-on, but I personally would have in this situation. The bowlers only worked for two sessions and the Indians’ heads are in disarray. After the lower order batsmen threw their wickets away, it would have been a perfect move to stick them right back in again. A couple of early wickets surely would have sparked another Indian collapse. Even if India scored 400, if I were a New Zealander, I’d be much more comfortable having to chase 120 in the last session than bowl India out from scratch in eighty overs.

The Ashes was very much a combination of Australia being brilliant and England woeful. Both of those had to occur in order for the series to finish 5-0. England is in disarray now. With the disappearance of Trott and retirement of Swann, things were beginning to fall apart. Then they were forced to drop Prior. Flower stepped down, and now the sacking of Pietersen has just about caused the nation to explode. The epic team that Strauss and Flower built is coming apart very quickly. Anderson wasn’t at all at his best in Australia and Panesar is totally past it. He’ll surely never play another Test. After a run of bad personal form with the bat in the ten Ashes games, and having captained the whitewash, Cook should also be concerned for his place. So now England are left with no spinner, no keeper, nobody to bat at two, three, and four in the order, and doubts over at least one of their seam bowling spots. Only Bell, Broad, and Stokes can feel comfortable about their place in the squad. Every other position is either vacant or in doubt. The five-match series against India in July and August could make for fascinating viewing.

And now McCullum runs himself out. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but India must be starting to entertain thoughts of winning, or at least saving, this game.

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