The funny thing is, we are more or less arguing about the same thing. When you put it the way you have above, my point sounds idiotic. That is more or less what I'm saying, but it's a lot more important than you're giving it credit for. I believe that a big part of being considered an elite wrestler is having the ability to work with guys less able than you are and having a good match with them. And what does that have to do with? Adaptability! Yes, McIntyre is adaptable at working different kinds of matches but is he adaptable at working with a plethora of different opponents? I view that aspect as being crucial when discussing a wrestlers' adaptability.Kostka wrote:I think the problem here is you're basically saying "Drew needs to wrestle more shitty guys in order to be an elite wrestler".
Look at Triple H, for example. He is very adaptable at working different match types. He's a good babyface, he's a good heel. He's had good long matches and good short matches. Really adaptable, right? But when it comes to working with different opponents, he's not so adaptable. He has little to no chemistry with Randy Orton, a guy of simiar or slightly less ability to him. He has little to no chemistry with Edge, who is a similar case. When he faced Vladimir Kozlov and The Great Khali, he tried to frickin' mat wrestle the guys and make them fit his style. That's not adapting to accomodate your opponent. His blatant shortcoming has always been his inability to work well with a variety of guys of similar to less ability and that is what stops him from reaching the level of an 'elite' worker for me. Very good, but not the best of the best.
Randy Orton is another case. I don't want to open another debate here but I have always considered John Cena to be better than Orton. Why? Orton's a great heel and Cena's a great babyface. They have both had success in a number of matches. So what makes Cena better? It's the fact that he is able to take a guy who possesses less in-ring ability than he does and pull a good match out of them. Khali, Sheamus, Barrett, Lashley, Umaga, Miz, Edge, Swagger, Ziggler, etc. The list goes on and on. Orton on the other hand is very good in different match types against the right opponent and can play a number of different roles but when he needs to switch things up in order to accomodate his weaker opponents' shortcomings he generally fails. See his matches with Miz, Swagger, Sheamus and Barrett among others.
It's nice for Drew to be able to wrestle a number of fantastic matches against a variety of great opponents but if you want to be called one of the absolute best in the business then you can't rely on wrestling opponents who are just as good as you every single week. I know he has pulled good matches out of lesser guys a couple of times but I need to see McIntyre do that week in and week out over a long period of time. That's what Cena does. That's what Masters does. That's what Rey does. That's what Regal does. That's what Finlay did. That's what Matt Hardy did. That's what Christian did during his excellent title run on ECW back in 2009.
For me, the major thing that separates an elite worker from a very good one is the elite worker's ability to pull a good match out of a weaker opponent, which is something that needs to be done on a regular basis. That's clearly what separates Cena and Orton and I am baffled as to why you view it as highly overrated. If you want to be considered one of the top five guys in the company, you need to be able to put on good matches with people on the levels below you. I know that you have shown me a few examples but that's not enough to call him an unquestionably top level guy.
McIntyre went from being rather shitty a year ago to being decent six months ago to being very good now. He has just recently reached that 'very good' level. Give him time. He's still a work in progress. I don't believe that he has peaked yet. As long as he still has a ways to go, he is not an elite worker. The next 6-12 months will be crucial in determining where his ceiling is. He has progressed very well and is fine for where he's at right now. If he has good matches with a variety of less able opponents over the next few months then I will congratulate him on making the final step. I just disagree that he has already reached that stage and that working with guys of less ability is overrated. That couldn't be further from the truth when separating the best from the VERY best, if you know what I'm saying.